[ALIGN=LEFT]Okay, first of all, this isnt a simple issue thats open for debate ( between the sunnis that is ) because of the hadeeth of the prophet that basically says if one makes takfeer on a Muslim, then one of them is a kaafir, in other words, hes either right, or kaafir, which means this is an important aqeedah issue, that some -May Allah guide us and them- dont give it the importance it deserves, we see some on one hand going to the extreme saying dont call anyone kaafir, and on the other hand you see some, who make takfeer right and left with no regulations at all, and both are wrong.
In these issues, we must see what the scholars have said, about specific beliefs, and if the conditions of takfeer are their, and the nullifiers that prevent the takfeer are non existant.
With the shias , or rafithees which would be more accurate to say, we cant make mass takfeer on them, and we cant say none are kaafir because we see loads of kufr beliefs being not just their belief, but a belief that has been propagated.
If one says the Quraan has been tampered with then he had a kufr belief.
If one says the revelation didnt end, then he has a kufr belief.
If one believes that theres someone that knows the unseen knowing what the Quran says then he has commited kufr.
If one performs istighathah, asking the dead for help, and the truth was made clear for him, yet he rejected, then hes a kaafir also for saying Ya Ali! or Ya Hussain! instead of Ya Allah!
These beliefs are everywhere in shia books. I was going to discuss in detail the issue of intercession, but i'll make that in a seperate psot so this one wont be too long.
As for what the scholars have said :
Imaam Abu Hanifah
It was reported that often Abu Haneefah used to repeat the following statement about the Rafithees "Whoever doubts whether they are disbelievers has himself committed disbelief."
Imaam al-Shaafi`e
On one occasion al-Shaafi`i said concerning the Shi`ites, "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Raafidite Shi`ites." [Ibn Taymeeyah, Minhaaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah, 1/39] On another occasion he said, "Narrate knowledge from everyone you meet except the Raafidite Shi`ites, because they invent Hadeeths and adopt them as part of their religion." [Ibid, p. 38]
Imaam Maalik
Once Maalik was asked about them and he replied, "Do not speak to them nor narrate from them, for surely they are liars." [Minhaaj as-Sunnah, 1/37] During a class of Imaam Maalik, it was mentioned that the Raafidite Shi`ites curse the Sahaabah. In reply, he quoted the Quranic verse, "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them." He then said, "Whoever becomes enraged when the Sahaabah are mentioned is one about whom the verse speaks." [Tafseeer al-Qurtubee]
Imaam Ibn Hazm quoted a report with an isnad going back to Hishaam ibn ‘Ammaar, who said: "I heard Maalik ibn Anas say: "Whoever curses Abu Bakr should be whipped, and whoever curses ‘Aa’ishah should be killed." He was asked, "Why do you say that concerning (the one who curses) ‘Aa’ishah?" He said, Because Allah says concerning ‘Aa’ishah, (may Allah be pleased with her): "Allah forbids you from it (slander her) and warns you not to repeat the like of it forever, if you are believers." (al-Noor 24:17)’"
Abu Bakr ibn al-‘Arabi
Abu Bakr ibn al-‘Arabi said: "Because the people who slandered ‘Aa’ishah accused a pure and innocent person of immorality, then Allah exonerated her. So everyone who accuses her of that of which Allah has stated she is innocent is rejecting what Allah says, and everyone who rejects what Allah says is a kaafir. This is the opinion of Maalik, and the matter is very clear to those who have insight."
Ibn Mubaarak
Ibn Mubaarak was reported to have said, "Religion is gained from Ahl al-Hadeeth, scholastic theology and crafty exemptions from religious ordinances of Ahl ar-Ray and lies from the Raafidite Shi`ites." [Adh-Dhahabee, al Muntaqaa min Minhaaj al-I`tidaal, p. 480]
One day during the period of Muslim rule in Spain, Imaam Abu Muhammad ibn Hazm was having a debate with some Spanish Catholic priests about their religious texts. He brought before them evidence of textual distortions in the Bible and the loss of original manu************************s. When they replied by pointing out to him Shi`ite claims also being distorted, Ibn Hazm informed them that "Shi`ite could not be used as evidence against the Quraan or against Muslims because they are not themselves Muslims." [Ibn Hazm, al-Fisaal fee al-Milal wa an-Nihal, 2/78 and 4/182]
Among other contemporary scholars who have have made similar statements are: Shaikh Ibn Baaz, ash-Shanqeetee, al-Albaanee, Ahmad Ameen, Muhibbuddeen al-Khateeb,an-Nashaasheebee and Dr. Rashaad Saalim.
One must note again, since the issue of takfeer is a very dangerous issue, that the ones that are kaafir are their scholars who accuse Aisha of adultry for example even though the Quraan delcared her innocent because this is rejecting Quran, or saying the Quran is corrupt, or the kufr beliefs that I have mentioned above.
The regular shia we cannot declare as a kaafir until the conditions of takfeer are fulfilled and the nullifiers are non existant, once the shia understands and accepts what their scholars say, and enough evidence has been showed to him, and he rejects then he is a kaafir kufr Akbar ( great kufr ) and the scholars, who have knowledge, can safely declare him as a kaafir, kufr ain ( kufr ain means saying the individual is a kaafir as opposed to saying he commited kufr )
However many of them have no idea what their scholars say and think that sunnis "are the ones who hate Ali raa" and thats the difference between us and them, and just grew up saying that they are shias not knowing what their scholars believe and teach, people like this from the regular shias cannot be called kaafir.
I know one Iranian shia who comes to our masjid, asked me about things, he thought we hated Ali! ( this shows the lies that their scholars teach them ) , I explained to him the sunni position, insha'Allah soon, he will become sunni 
A problem that surely exists is that they lie too much, as the shiekh of Islam Ibn Taymiyah said , Subhan the one who created lying and gave 9/10 of it to the shia , he probably got this from their so-called hadeeths such as"Nine tenths of religion is taqiyyah (dissimulation), hence one who does not dissimulate has no religion." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.110)
The Shias falsely attribute the following to Abu Abdullah (Ja'far as-Sadiq): "Mix with them(i.e. non-shia) externally but oppose them internally." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.116) now this Shi'ite hadeeth means that they should mix with us and try to decieve us..It trully shows us Muslims what the Shi'ites are!
"A believer who does not dissimulate is like a body without a head." (Tafseer al-Askari)
Concerning the verse, "Verily the most noble of you in Allah's sight is the most God-fearing (atqaakum)" , the Shia attribute the following interpretation of "atqaakum": "That is, your deeds done by taqiyyah (dissimulation) (Al-I'tiqadat)
....("Although Allah, the Exalted, has not created a creature worse than a dog, yet a Nasbi (ie. A Sunni) is worse than even a dog." here is the Shi'te book that this lie came from (Haqqul Yakeen (Persian) Vol 2, P. 516)
So its clear why its hard to make takfeer of individuals with all this lying going on, which shows that they have no sincerity, but again, as I explained above, if the conditions are fulfilled and nullifiers are non existant, as it is with the majority of their scholars, it is not only okay to declare them as a kuffar, but it becomes a MUST.
The ones who dont believe the kuffar to be kuffar are indeed kuffar themselves which is a well known rule. One cant say rejecting Quranic verses or saying the Quran is corrupt isnt kufr , ever.
Hope this helps, even though my thoughts may not have been as organized as they should be. I will post something on the intercession issue in a seperate post insha'Allah.
Also for those who dont know Arabic, watch this video from minute 3:40 and see for yourself their actions, wallahi seeing it is so sad, the state their ignorants ended up in because of their scholars who are just their to rip them off their so-called "khumus" ( literally means one fifth ) and misguide them, really, really sad. The video is over 9 MB and its beginning is in Arabic, so I repeat if one doesnt know Arabic, just watch it from minute 3:40 to the end, and tell me, if you think, this is Islam, and how different what you see is from "worshipping of the dead" that mushriks do, if there are any differences that is!
Take this verse into consideration “And the mosques are for Allâh (Alone), so invoke not anyone along with Allâh.” (72:18)
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08-07-03, 04:36 PM
wa alaikum alslaam
)...u must say shahadah ..to do prayers .. to pay zakat .. to perform Hajj .. to observe fast during the month
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